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		<title>By: victoria</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2010/02/16/12-really-angry-men/comment-page-1/#comment-54580</link>
		<dc:creator>victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand  your position...now do you have a solution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand  your position&#8230;now do you have a solution?</p>
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		<title>By: Blawg Review #252 &#8211; Law Firm Web Strategy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blawg Review #252 &#8211; Law Firm Web Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] juries, like replicants, in danger of elimination? Public Defender Gideon reports that fiscally and emotionally unhinged jurors are causing problems for the system, while the WSJ Law Blog reports on an L.A. case where half of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] juries, like replicants, in danger of elimination? Public Defender Gideon reports that fiscally and emotionally unhinged jurors are causing problems for the system, while the WSJ Law Blog reports on an L.A. case where half of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
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		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did jury duty on a civil in Mass., where the laws are about the same as CT (3 days pay instead of 5, $50 starting on the 4th day), and the  court judge was extremely respectful of our time. The case ended up going over a day, and she tripped over herself to apologize. In Mass Superior Court, civil trials only occupy the first half of the day, so most of us could work half days anyway. But that didn&#039;t keep every. single. person. from being at least a little disgruntled by the time we went into deliberation. That said, I can think of several members who would have strangled any juror who spoke out during the trial--We were very committed to reaching a fair verdict and would have been upset to risk a mistrial because one or two of us were feeling pissy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did jury duty on a civil in Mass., where the laws are about the same as CT (3 days pay instead of 5, $50 starting on the 4th day), and the  court judge was extremely respectful of our time. The case ended up going over a day, and she tripped over herself to apologize. In Mass Superior Court, civil trials only occupy the first half of the day, so most of us could work half days anyway. But that didn&#8217;t keep every. single. person. from being at least a little disgruntled by the time we went into deliberation. That said, I can think of several members who would have strangled any juror who spoke out during the trial&#8211;We were very committed to reaching a fair verdict and would have been upset to risk a mistrial because one or two of us were feeling pissy.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Budden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Budden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have done jury service, and regarded as my civic duty to do so. It lasted two weeks and my employer payed me fully during those two weeks (I live in England).

One of the things that struck me as a juror was that the court did not respect my time. Jurors&#039; time was not seen as a valuable commodity and was frequently wasted. During the two weeks I saw two trials each of which lasted two days. I had to present myself to the court each day, and on a few occasions was sent home immediately, since I was not required for a trial that day. This wasted the time I spent traveling to the court.

Even when there was a trial on, there was a lot of sitting around waiting. One of the trials was for shoplifting and we had to wait outside the courtroom for over an hour while a videotape machine was set up in the court so that we could view the video evidence. The courtrooms should have been set up permanently for the showing of video evidence (which is presumably fairly common). The trial was in a new (less than ten year old) courthouse, so there was no excuse for not having the facilities to present evidence quickly.

In one of the trials the barrister for the defence was clearly winging it and the jury&#039;s time was wasted as he consulted the solicitor (who was very well prepared). Even when the barrister is well prepared the solicitor/barrister split we have in England results in jury time being wasted.

It seems to me that there is a lot of scope for better time management by the court administrators. The court days could also be made longer, so that a juror could take fewer days off work for a given number of court hours.

Using jurors&#039; time more efficiently won&#039;t solve the problem of lack of jurors, but it will reduce that problem. If trials were run more efficiently so that more of them could be completed in 5 days, then more jurors would be covered by CT&#039;s 5 day jury duty pay. And if courts didn&#039;t waste so much of jurors&#039; valuable time, then those jurors would be less angry that their time was being wasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have done jury service, and regarded as my civic duty to do so. It lasted two weeks and my employer payed me fully during those two weeks (I live in England).</p>
<p>One of the things that struck me as a juror was that the court did not respect my time. Jurors&#8217; time was not seen as a valuable commodity and was frequently wasted. During the two weeks I saw two trials each of which lasted two days. I had to present myself to the court each day, and on a few occasions was sent home immediately, since I was not required for a trial that day. This wasted the time I spent traveling to the court.</p>
<p>Even when there was a trial on, there was a lot of sitting around waiting. One of the trials was for shoplifting and we had to wait outside the courtroom for over an hour while a videotape machine was set up in the court so that we could view the video evidence. The courtrooms should have been set up permanently for the showing of video evidence (which is presumably fairly common). The trial was in a new (less than ten year old) courthouse, so there was no excuse for not having the facilities to present evidence quickly.</p>
<p>In one of the trials the barrister for the defence was clearly winging it and the jury&#8217;s time was wasted as he consulted the solicitor (who was very well prepared). Even when the barrister is well prepared the solicitor/barrister split we have in England results in jury time being wasted.</p>
<p>It seems to me that there is a lot of scope for better time management by the court administrators. The court days could also be made longer, so that a juror could take fewer days off work for a given number of court hours.</p>
<p>Using jurors&#8217; time more efficiently won&#8217;t solve the problem of lack of jurors, but it will reduce that problem. If trials were run more efficiently so that more of them could be completed in 5 days, then more jurors would be covered by CT&#8217;s 5 day jury duty pay. And if courts didn&#8217;t waste so much of jurors&#8217; valuable time, then those jurors would be less angry that their time was being wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brings to mind the old line about &quot;I wouldn&#039;t want anyone deciding my fate who was too stupid to get out of jury duty.&quot;  Jurors are paid a whopping $25/day here (pay for your own parking/lunch)in my jurisdiction and are committed to 5 days of service or longer if the case demands it.  No statutory obligation on the part of employers to pay juror/employees.  As a practical matter, I&#039;ve rarely seen a judge require a juror to serve if they bitch enough about a financial difficulty.  I&#039;ve struck jurors who express such hardships if I have a spare peremptory lying around as I don&#039;t necessarily believe persons forced to serve are predisposed to acquit the criminally accused...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brings to mind the old line about &#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t want anyone deciding my fate who was too stupid to get out of jury duty.&#8221;  Jurors are paid a whopping $25/day here (pay for your own parking/lunch)in my jurisdiction and are committed to 5 days of service or longer if the case demands it.  No statutory obligation on the part of employers to pay juror/employees.  As a practical matter, I&#8217;ve rarely seen a judge require a juror to serve if they bitch enough about a financial difficulty.  I&#8217;ve struck jurors who express such hardships if I have a spare peremptory lying around as I don&#8217;t necessarily believe persons forced to serve are predisposed to acquit the criminally accused&#8230;</p>
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