On the intersection of morality, child sex and law
[THIS IS A BIG WARNING: The site I am about to link to is thought-provoking and unabashedly pornographic. Yes, I said pornographic. Be expected to be treated to pictures of naked women. Lots of them. And body parts. Lots of them. If you are under the age of 18, click here.
But on the flip side, you will be treated to articles on philosophy and morality. And in this particular case, law.
If you are sensitive to pornographic images, I would recommend using "Readability", which strips all images from pages and makes the text larger and more readable. That is how I read this page, despite no antagonism toward pornography. It just is easier to read.
It is undoubtedly, without reservation, NSFW. I will repeat: NSFW.]
Have you installed “Readability“? Why not? Go install it now. I’ll wait.
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Done? You promise? Okay:
Roman Polanski and the Bounty of Childhood Sex is the article I am linking to here. It uses the case of Roman Polanski (both in its anecdotal and criminal case sense) as a springboard for a discussion and exploration of the immorality of child sex laws. Some excerpts:
So-called child molestation, which is actually just an abusive term for childhood sex is not a crime. The reason is simple. The act can be divided into two parts potentially. One is the sex, the other is physical (or excessive psychological – a vague and dubious concept) coercion. It is true that physical coercion can be criminal especially if it involves inflicting physical pain. However, coercion by itself is indifferent to the age of the victim. Coercing anyone to do anything against their will is at the very least immoral. Doing so at the point of a gun is often criminal (Coercing the perpetrator of a holdup to desist at the point of a gun is not considered criminal, but coercing a soldier into battle at the point of a gun may be considered criminal). However, proponents of so-called child molestation make clear that coercion is irrelevant to the supposed criminality of the act since even consensual sex with children is criminalized.
and:
If coercion and age are irrelevant in the spurious criminalization of childhood sex, that leaves the sex. The reason childhood sex is a criminal act must be the sex. But, if sex were the critical element, if sex were in itself damaging or evil, then all sex should be illegal. Apart from a few hysterics and other illiterates, no one would find this to be an acceptable conclusion. Sex is a pleasurable act and an enjoyable experience that, absent external and irrelevant disapproval, need have no deleterious consequences. This principle is as true for children as it is for adults. There is nothing identifiably specific in the child’s mental make-up that accounts for any special harm caused by this pleasurable experience. Of course, any physical activity runs some risk of physical harm, however small. Sexual activity in particular could result in vaginal or anal tearing, especially in a smaller body. But, if that were an applicable principle, the prohibition of sex should apply to dwarves but not to children above a certain physical stature. Indeed the potential for physical damage is an argument not to ban the activity, but to ensure is safe pursuit. Pee wee football is susceptible to far greater damage than mere fucking. But the potential for damage is no reason to ban the sport but rather to make sure the players wear safety equipment.
The case for psychological damage is even weaker because there is a good argument that only a very small portion of psychologically damaging activity (such as torture) merits criminalization. Otherwise every nag would end up in the Big House. (The idea that judges could be counted on in their wisdom to apply a bad law such that Polanski would be sent up but nags given a pass is not relevant here, partly because there are untrustworthy judges just as there are bad laws, but primarily because our focus is to determine the moral grounds which could be used by a “wise” judge can make an exception in some unhappy situation. But if that is the case, why not just determine the moral grounds for good law and leave out the arbitrariness of the judiciary?) There is in fact abundant lack of reliable statistical evidence (pp. 24 ff.) that shows any psychological damage from childhood sex, even granting a highly prejudicial definition of psychological well-being. The anecdotal evidence compiled from interviews with children has been found to have been manipulated and in some cases invented (a genuine criminal act). Moreover, thanks to Melanie Griffith and the admirable Richard Dawkins (and indeed Samantha Geimer, Polanski’s own “victim”), we do have dependable anecdotal evidence that childhood sex has no effect whatsoever. Although Dawkins does deplore the fact of his own “victimization,” he quite simply states that the experience itself was “embarrassing but otherwise harmless (p. 316).” He obviously seems to have suffered no ill effects in later life, unless one perhaps plausibly maintains that an Oxford professorship is a sure sign of a mental trauma. Indeed some of those baby beauty contests strike me as a lot more creepy than a passing blow job. Most tellingly, the legal age for marriage in many states and countries before the child abuse fad hit should have resulted in a long history of psychotic brides. Which it didn’t.
Finally:
So the elements of so-called child molestation – coercion, age and sex – are in themselves not criminal. Perhaps it is some lethal combination of the three that provides a basis for criminalization. Yet it is hard to see what combination would work. Coercion, except in cases where the coercion is directed against a potential criminal act, should stand alone as an immoral and possibly criminal act. If coercion is involved, it makes no difference what the victim was coerced to do. And, as we saw, coercion is not even a necessary element in sexual criminalization. Arguments for the supposed harmfulness of sex turn out to be arguments for instruction in practicing sex properly. Arguments for the harmful combination of sex and age turn out to imply to prohibition of any number of activities that children are now allowed to do or to restrict procreation to artificial insemination.
There is a lot more in the piece and it raises some interesting questions. We are already all mostly in agreement that some specific instances of “statutory rape” and not offensive and should not be criminalized; hence the so-called “Romeo and Juliet” laws. But on the other hand, most of us would identify a certain moral repugnance as we continue to increase the age gap between the participants: 16 and 18 is okay, but what of 20 and 15? 20 and 16? Why the dividing line at 16 or 17? And how is 20 and 15 that different from 36 and 15 or 16 for that matter?
I would certainly not recommend this line of philosophical thought as a “defense” to child sex allegations in Court. Taking such a tact is bound to lead to a sudden decrease in credibility and perhaps an involuntary “transfer” to the basement without a stapler.
But for a Saturday, which is today, this might serve as the perfect springboard for a mental excursion. This is what I hope to do. Let me know if you do and what you find. Thus far, I think I already have problems with his summary dismissal of “coercion” despite the assertion that consent is “irrelevant”.
Specifically, I am interested in these theories and any studies that may exist out there on the question of “moral harm” inflicted on victims, in the context of the ambiguous “risk of injury” statutes.
I suspect I may lose a few readers because of this post. That’s fine.
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about 7 months ago
I’m 17, and that is basically my line of thought on the whole thing. The problem here, is more base than this issue. The problem is that because a person finds an action immoral, they believe they have the ability to write down ‘laws’ forcing others to not do this immoral behavior. It is obvious, when looking at it like this, it is the law-writer who is committing the unjust act in this case, not the ones doing the immoral act.
I’ll not go to that website, since its logic is at a level I already understand, and instead stay with other sites that are more general in their attack against the ones who force their morality upon others.
about 7 months ago
Attorneys need to understand the difference between types of offenders.
Those with the lowest recidivist rates and who make up the vast majority of registered sex offenders are Situational. These abusers do not have a sexual preference for children. They have sex with child for many reasons including, simple availability, opportunity, curiosity, or a desire to hurt a loved one of the molested child. There are any number of reasons. Their sexual preference however is not children, they prefer adults.
About Pedophiles, Molesters and Types of Sexual Abusers http://tinyurl.com/yjgchzu
about 7 months ago
Connecticut’s latest version of the Adam Walsh Act, Title I, a/k/a SORNA, is the Governor’s Bill (sponsored by Sen. McKinney and Rep. Cafero) as referred to the Judiciary Committee: LCO No. 415.
Some gems:
“Any person who is a registered sexual offender under the laws of any other state who enters this state and fails to notify the Commissioner of Public Safety in writing not less than forty-eight hours prior to entering the state…shall be guilty of a class D felony.”
Does Conn. even have jurisdiction to enforce other states’ registration laws, and to interfere in interstate commerce? How does an offender who is a truck driver manage this one?
“Any person who has been convicted…of a tier three offense and who has been subject to the registration requirements of [C.G.S.] 54-251 [committed a criminal offense against a victim who is a minor or a nonviolent sexual offense]…shall maintain such registration for life”
Consensual statutory rape [C.G.S. 53a-71] is a Tier III offense under this bill. And if you were sentenced to probation in 1998 and just got off the list after completing your 10-year registration in 2008, and finished all your probation, now you must re-register for life!
“Any tier three registrant…shall appear in person every ninety days…Any person…who becomes a transient shall…continue to
appear…not less than ten days or more than fifteen days from the last reporting date…If a registrant fails to physically report in person to an assigned office of the Court Support Services Division…that agency shall apply for a warrant to be issued for the registrant’s arrest under this section.
This is de facto probation. That’s what CSSD is. And the language reads just like a VOP.
I thought this was non-punitive legislation, at least it purports to be in order to survive Constitutional ex post facto scrutiny.
But it is a sneaky form of unconstitutional probation!
about 7 months ago
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about 6 months ago
As someone who has taught law in a framework very different from those in the United States, I’m amazed that a lawyer could have honestly written this. (I assume that it was written both honestly and by a lawyer.)
“even consensual sex with children is criminalized.”
In the framework where I taught, there is a concept similar to that of “statutory rape”. It is based on the idea that there can be no consensual sex with a child, because the child’s consent is nothing, and that because the child is assumed not to understand to what he or she is consenting. Would the OP accept the average 3-year-old’s consent to uncriminalize the sex act? Does the OP really believe that the average 3-year-old who has never had sex would understand what sex is, even if explained to her in great detail? Does the OP really believe that the average 3-year-old can sufficiently analyze possible bias by the explainer/sex-partner? Would the OP also bind the average 3-year-old to a contract he had signed gifting all of his property, since he gave his full consent?
“But, if that were an applicable principle, the prohibition of sex should apply to dwarves but not to children above a certain physical stature.”
In the system where I taught, it is assumed that the laws are written for normal people and normal situations. There can be good laws which turn out badly in odd and extreme cases. I have never seen anyone come up with a good solution for this problem, since most people would consider giving vast discretion to the people who apply the law, whether police or judges, a bad solution. Given a good law and an unusual situation in which it turns out badly, it is up to the courts and the officers of the court to wiggle their way out.
In any case, if it is accepted that one of the bases of child molestation laws is the nature of consent, the question would never come up. The average dwarf has both the practical and the legal power of consent; the average 3-year-old does not have the legal power, and probably not the practical power.
“I suspect I may lose a few readers because of this post. That’s fine.”
Is the OP saying here ‘I don’t give a damn what any of you think, because I am always right and you are presumed stupid’, or ‘I have a moral duty to ignore the opinions of others on a moral question on which I’m sure I’m right’? Is this contempt for human beings, or moral principle? And how do we tell the difference?
about 6 months ago
My problem with age of consent laws is not that they criminalize sex with a 3 year old. My problem is that they arbitrarily criminalize a lot of activity that can easily be argued is “normal”. Kids are out there in droves having sex before they reach the age of consent. The law should not seek to criminalize what is almost considered average or normal behavior.
If a kid has sex at age 15, the law presumes he could not possibly have given consent, so the older partner is prosecuted as being solely to blame for corrupting the minor. But, if that same kid shoots up a few of his classmates, the government immediately petitions to prosecute him as an adult.
As for the 3 year old, I would much rather entrust his safety to a parent than permit the state to take over the roll of grand guardian dictating arbitrary ages where children are permitted to engage in activities better regulated on an individual level by a real guardian. At minimum, the age of consent (ie: the age where the government feels compelled to get involved) should be lowered to be more in tune with reality. The law isn’t protecting anyone by destroying the life of a 18 y/o for having consensual sex with a 16 y/o.
about 6 months ago
“I suspect I may lose a few readers because of this post. That’s fine.”
I interpreted that line as follows: “By not uncritically buying into the child sex abuse hysteria that is currently gripping the country (if not the entire western world), I may loose a few readers. That’s fine with me since those who do mindlessly buy into the child sex abuse hysteria probably aren’t bringing much rational thought to the topic anyway.”