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		<title>By: Francine McKenna</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2010/01/01/the-fruit-of-the-poisonous-confession/comment-page-1/#comment-53038</link>
		<dc:creator>Francine McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it wonderful!  Sadly, our &quot;democrat&quot; States Attorney, Anita Alvarez has been &quot;torturing&quot; the Innocence Project with harassment.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/February-2010/Anita-Alvarez-turns-up-the-heat-in-her-battle-with-Northwesterns-David-Protess-and-his-Medill-Innocence-Project/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it wonderful!  Sadly, our &#8220;democrat&#8221; States Attorney, Anita Alvarez has been &#8220;torturing&#8221; the Innocence Project with harassment.<br />
<a href="http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/February-2010/Anita-Alvarez-turns-up-the-heat-in-her-battle-with-Northwesterns-David-Protess-and-his-Medill-Innocence-Project/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/February-2010/Anita-Alvarez-turns-up-the-heat-in-her-battle-with-Northwesterns-David-Protess-and-his-Medill-Innocence-Project/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2010/01/01/the-fruit-of-the-poisonous-confession/comment-page-1/#comment-53036</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although, now see &lt;a href=&quot;http://criminaljustice.change.org/blog/view/tortured_into_a_false_confession_freed_two_decades_later&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, now see <a href="http://criminaljustice.change.org/blog/view/tortured_into_a_false_confession_freed_two_decades_later" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: LJS</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2010/01/01/the-fruit-of-the-poisonous-confession/comment-page-1/#comment-52824</link>
		<dc:creator>LJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I found most disturbing about &quot;The Wrong Guys&quot; on the Norfolk Four case (involving a series of false confessions) was how powerful the effect of the confessions was on the defense attorneys themselves -- several coming to believe that their factually-innocent client was guity and strong-arming pleas rather than investigating the possibility that the client was telling truth.

Kassin&#039;s work is just one part of a much larger field, which includes real-world instances like the Central Park Jogger series of false confessions, the Norfolk Four, and a number of the DNA exoneration cases. To dismiss the field because some studies use students is to miss a very large problem in the justice system.

I wonder if anyone has lobbied the Obama Justice Dept to require FBI/DEA/etc. to start recording all custodial interrogations -- if the feds started doing it, I expect many state and local police would follow along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I found most disturbing about &#8220;The Wrong Guys&#8221; on the Norfolk Four case (involving a series of false confessions) was how powerful the effect of the confessions was on the defense attorneys themselves &#8212; several coming to believe that their factually-innocent client was guity and strong-arming pleas rather than investigating the possibility that the client was telling truth.</p>
<p>Kassin&#8217;s work is just one part of a much larger field, which includes real-world instances like the Central Park Jogger series of false confessions, the Norfolk Four, and a number of the DNA exoneration cases. To dismiss the field because some studies use students is to miss a very large problem in the justice system.</p>
<p>I wonder if anyone has lobbied the Obama Justice Dept to require FBI/DEA/etc. to start recording all custodial interrogations &#8212; if the feds started doing it, I expect many state and local police would follow along.</p>
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		<title>By: Windypundit</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2010/01/01/the-fruit-of-the-poisonous-confession/comment-page-1/#comment-52818</link>
		<dc:creator>Windypundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janice Nadler published a &lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=373604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paper&lt;/a&gt; about the use of police coercion in obtaining consent for a search. Here&#039;s a few bits that seem applicable to your post:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
...empirical studies over the last several decades on the social psychology of compliance, conformity, social influence, and politeness have all converged on a single conclusion: the extent to which people feel free to refuse to comply is extremely limited under situationally-induced pressures.

...

Even worse, the existing empirical evidence also suggests that observers outside of the situation systematically overestimate the extent to which citizens in police encounters feel free to refuse. Members of the Court are themselves such outside observers, and this partly explains why the Court repeatedly has held that police-citizen encounters are consensual and that consent to search was freely given.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nadler is discussing court decisions about consent searches, not jury decisions about confessions, but I imagine that the same effect is present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janice Nadler published a <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=373604" rel="nofollow">paper</a> about the use of police coercion in obtaining consent for a search. Here&#8217;s a few bits that seem applicable to your post:</p>
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&#8230;empirical studies over the last several decades on the social psychology of compliance, conformity, social influence, and politeness have all converged on a single conclusion: the extent to which people feel free to refuse to comply is extremely limited under situationally-induced pressures.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Even worse, the existing empirical evidence also suggests that observers outside of the situation systematically overestimate the extent to which citizens in police encounters feel free to refuse. Members of the Court are themselves such outside observers, and this partly explains why the Court repeatedly has held that police-citizen encounters are consensual and that consent to search was freely given.
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<p>Nadler is discussing court decisions about consent searches, not jury decisions about confessions, but I imagine that the same effect is present.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Budden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Budden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On further reflection, you are correct, my questions are not particularly effective. I think, however, you slightly misread them. I was not trying to establish if the juror had been falsely blamed for something, I was trying to establish whether the juror had been falsely blamed &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; had taken the blame. I asked (eg) &quot;Have you taken the blame for something you have not done?&quot;, not &quot;Have you been blamed for something you have not done?&quot;

I still don&#039;t think your question is a particularly good one. I don&#039;t think it is effective in &quot;harvesting an existing anchor point&quot;. As I said, the question is confusing and contains too much indirection. If put on the spot I could easily find myself answering it &quot;I don&#039;t know really&quot; even though I am very skeptical of confessions. If I had got my mind in gear and had been thinking a while about the question I would easily find the answers: &quot;Because they were covering for a loved one, or another gang member or because the confession was coerced&quot;.

I think you question will exclude people who are skeptical about confessions. It&#039;s not, as you say, &quot;the ideal voir dire question&quot;. Your question needs refinement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On further reflection, you are correct, my questions are not particularly effective. I think, however, you slightly misread them. I was not trying to establish if the juror had been falsely blamed for something, I was trying to establish whether the juror had been falsely blamed <b>and</b> had taken the blame. I asked (eg) &#8220;Have you taken the blame for something you have not done?&#8221;, not &#8220;Have you been blamed for something you have not done?&#8221;</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t think your question is a particularly good one. I don&#8217;t think it is effective in &#8220;harvesting an existing anchor point&#8221;. As I said, the question is confusing and contains too much indirection. If put on the spot I could easily find myself answering it &#8220;I don&#8217;t know really&#8221; even though I am very skeptical of confessions. If I had got my mind in gear and had been thinking a while about the question I would easily find the answers: &#8220;Because they were covering for a loved one, or another gang member or because the confession was coerced&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think you question will exclude people who are skeptical about confessions. It&#8217;s not, as you say, &#8220;the ideal voir dire question&#8221;. Your question needs refinement.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. SunWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. SunWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are NOT effective voir dire questions. You cannot PUT a juror in a situation that is (a) not parallel to the defendant&#039;s and (b) they must imagine. Consider a sexual assault trial with a false confession: The fact that some juror was once accused of something at school or work is NOT parallel. It doesn&#039;t matter that a juror was blamed--it matters, in Gideon&#039;s blog--that a person actually falsely admitted to something.

Psychologically, non-parallel experiences are NOT predictive.

My juror question, essentially, why do you think an innocent person would confess to something they did not do, isn&#039;t IN ANY WAY about empathy. It&#039;s about harvesting a pre-existing anchor point.

As to Gideon&#039;s interesting idea of &quot;planting seeds&quot; -- doesn&#039;t actually work. Yes, we love telling them about innocent people convicted, but it&#039;s what jurors already embrace, believe, experience that predict how they&#039;ll skew the evidence and arguments in THIS trial. 

Find out where they stand now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are NOT effective voir dire questions. You cannot PUT a juror in a situation that is (a) not parallel to the defendant&#8217;s and (b) they must imagine. Consider a sexual assault trial with a false confession: The fact that some juror was once accused of something at school or work is NOT parallel. It doesn&#8217;t matter that a juror was blamed&#8211;it matters, in Gideon&#8217;s blog&#8211;that a person actually falsely admitted to something.</p>
<p>Psychologically, non-parallel experiences are NOT predictive.</p>
<p>My juror question, essentially, why do you think an innocent person would confess to something they did not do, isn&#8217;t IN ANY WAY about empathy. It&#8217;s about harvesting a pre-existing anchor point.</p>
<p>As to Gideon&#8217;s interesting idea of &#8220;planting seeds&#8221; &#8212; doesn&#8217;t actually work. Yes, we love telling them about innocent people convicted, but it&#8217;s what jurors already embrace, believe, experience that predict how they&#8217;ll skew the evidence and arguments in THIS trial. </p>
<p>Find out where they stand now.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Budden</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2010/01/01/the-fruit-of-the-poisonous-confession/comment-page-1/#comment-52768</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Budden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JuryTalk&#039;s point about questioning jurors is a good one, but his suggested question: &quot;What reason makes real sense to YOU about why an innocent person would confess to a crime they know they did not do?&quot; is not a good one. It&#039;s confusing and contains too much indirection. Most obviously it asks about a crime &quot;they &lt;b&gt;know&lt;/b&gt; they did not do&quot; rather than a &quot;crime they did not do&quot;. Secondly it asks the juror to empathize with another person in a particular situation rather than asking the juror to put themselves in that situation. Better questions are:

&quot;Have you ever taken the blame for something you have not done?&quot; or

&quot;Would you ever take the blame for something you have not done?&quot; or

&quot;Has anyone ever taken the blame for something you have done?&quot; or

&quot;Have you ever admitted to doing something wrong, just to avoid an argument, or so you could go and do something else?&quot;

I&#039;m not a lawyer and don&#039;t know the US jury selection process (I&#039;ve done jury service in the UK, but we don&#039;t have voir dire jury selection here), but, if possible, the questions could be put into context by suggestions about taking blame to protect a loved one or even something like agreeing with the boss that a mistake had been made so that you could go home on time on a Friday, rather than have a long drawn out discussion with said boss. Marital and filial arguments are also rich sources of why someone might take blame when they had done nothing wrong.

Putting someone in a situation is much more effective than asking that person to empathize with someone in such a position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JuryTalk&#8217;s point about questioning jurors is a good one, but his suggested question: &#8220;What reason makes real sense to YOU about why an innocent person would confess to a crime they know they did not do?&#8221; is not a good one. It&#8217;s confusing and contains too much indirection. Most obviously it asks about a crime &#8220;they <b>know</b> they did not do&#8221; rather than a &#8220;crime they did not do&#8221;. Secondly it asks the juror to empathize with another person in a particular situation rather than asking the juror to put themselves in that situation. Better questions are:</p>
<p>&#8220;Have you ever taken the blame for something you have not done?&#8221; or</p>
<p>&#8220;Would you ever take the blame for something you have not done?&#8221; or</p>
<p>&#8220;Has anyone ever taken the blame for something you have done?&#8221; or</p>
<p>&#8220;Have you ever admitted to doing something wrong, just to avoid an argument, or so you could go and do something else?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer and don&#8217;t know the US jury selection process (I&#8217;ve done jury service in the UK, but we don&#8217;t have voir dire jury selection here), but, if possible, the questions could be put into context by suggestions about taking blame to protect a loved one or even something like agreeing with the boss that a mistake had been made so that you could go home on time on a Friday, rather than have a long drawn out discussion with said boss. Marital and filial arguments are also rich sources of why someone might take blame when they had done nothing wrong.</p>
<p>Putting someone in a situation is much more effective than asking that person to empathize with someone in such a position.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. But that wasn&#039;t during the course of a confession (brutal though it was).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. But that wasn&#8217;t during the course of a confession (brutal though it was).</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent (and extremely relevant) point: how do we question jurors now that we have this knowledge? How do we go about framing these issues in trials?

I think it starts early at the pre-trial stage: we have to be able to identify cases of &quot;real&quot; false confessions by noticing the signs, then we have to start preparing for it. Consulting with an expert is one way.

But assuming that it goes to trial and we have the expert to testify, how do we do the ultimate: convince the jury that they should listen to the expert and conclude that the confession is false and disregard it entirely?

I don&#039;t think this is something that can be disposed of with a few cursory questions. We need to develop an entire area of questioning that seeks to elicit biases people have against the concept of false confessions and also plant the seeds that they do happen in their minds.

To that extent, I think the recent publicity of DNA exonerations is additionally helpful: they show the jury pool that a) people are wrongfully accused and b) that they falsely confess.

I look forward to reading your additional thoughts on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent (and extremely relevant) point: how do we question jurors now that we have this knowledge? How do we go about framing these issues in trials?</p>
<p>I think it starts early at the pre-trial stage: we have to be able to identify cases of &#8220;real&#8221; false confessions by noticing the signs, then we have to start preparing for it. Consulting with an expert is one way.</p>
<p>But assuming that it goes to trial and we have the expert to testify, how do we do the ultimate: convince the jury that they should listen to the expert and conclude that the confession is false and disregard it entirely?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is something that can be disposed of with a few cursory questions. We need to develop an entire area of questioning that seeks to elicit biases people have against the concept of false confessions and also plant the seeds that they do happen in their minds.</p>
<p>To that extent, I think the recent publicity of DNA exonerations is additionally helpful: they show the jury pool that a) people are wrongfully accused and b) that they falsely confess.</p>
<p>I look forward to reading your additional thoughts on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Francine McKenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you are right about &quot;real&quot; torture. But how recent is recent enough to be &quot;much anymore&quot;?  After all, NYC had &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Louima&lt;/a&gt; not too long ago....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you are right about &#8220;real&#8221; torture. But how recent is recent enough to be &#8220;much anymore&#8221;?  After all, NYC had <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima" rel="nofollow">Louima</a> not too long ago&#8230;.</p>
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