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		<title>By: The fear is upon us: convict to be on the safe side &#124; a public defender</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2009/12/04/judging-evil-do-pedophiles-have-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-52872</link>
		<dc:creator>The fear is upon us: convict to be on the safe side &#124; a public defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the comments to my previous post on whether pedophelia is the result of organic brain disorders show, it may [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2009/12/04/judging-evil-do-pedophiles-have-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-52317</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The upside of free will being an illusion is that retribution is no longer justified. The downside is that preventive detention is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The upside of free will being an illusion is that retribution is no longer justified. The downside is that preventive detention is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2009/12/04/judging-evil-do-pedophiles-have-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-52316</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you had to post that.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience has been very similar.  As elected officials, few judges are going to error on the side of mercy and view mental afflictions as truly mitigatory factors.  When you inform the court that the defendant&#039;s behavior is the result of some incurable, but managible mental discorder, the bulk of them will only hear and react to the &quot;incurable&quot; aspect of the condition and the belief that the offender will not be compliant with medication.  Thus, the &quot;public safety&quot; side of the equation most always wins out.  The true benefit of research into what makes mentally ill offenders tick will be in the recognition and treatment of the problem to avoid the entry of the afflicted into the criminal justice system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience has been very similar.  As elected officials, few judges are going to error on the side of mercy and view mental afflictions as truly mitigatory factors.  When you inform the court that the defendant&#8217;s behavior is the result of some incurable, but managible mental discorder, the bulk of them will only hear and react to the &#8220;incurable&#8221; aspect of the condition and the belief that the offender will not be compliant with medication.  Thus, the &#8220;public safety&#8221; side of the equation most always wins out.  The true benefit of research into what makes mentally ill offenders tick will be in the recognition and treatment of the problem to avoid the entry of the afflicted into the criminal justice system.</p>
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		<title>By: gerardw</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2009/12/04/judging-evil-do-pedophiles-have-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-52313</link>
		<dc:creator>gerardw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Free will is an illusion.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; I&#039;d argue the point, but I guess you just had to post that, huh?</description>
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<p> I&#8217;d argue the point, but I guess you just had to post that, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Keech</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2009/12/04/judging-evil-do-pedophiles-have-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-52305</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Keech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, rather than being a mitigating factor, this theory can sometimes lead to harsher punishment. In Washington, an offender who has served his sentence may still be subject to a civil commitment proceeding wherein the State moves that the actions were the result of a &quot;mental disease or disorder&quot; and keep the person in a different unit of the prison until they can show that they are &quot;cured&quot; Which, with the State&#039;s pshrinks doing the evaluating, will never happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, rather than being a mitigating factor, this theory can sometimes lead to harsher punishment. In Washington, an offender who has served his sentence may still be subject to a civil commitment proceeding wherein the State moves that the actions were the result of a &#8220;mental disease or disorder&#8221; and keep the person in a different unit of the prison until they can show that they are &#8220;cured&#8221; Which, with the State&#8217;s pshrinks doing the evaluating, will never happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Rita R. Handrich</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2009/12/04/judging-evil-do-pedophiles-have-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-52290</link>
		<dc:creator>Rita R. Handrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a terrific post! It&#039;s a tough topic--we want to see sex offenders (and especially pedophiles) as evil &amp; willful and responsible. Considering non-self-driven motivations for sexually assaulting a child goes against how most of us see ourselves--as protectors of children. The very idea that there is &quot;a little child molester in all of us&quot; is something most people would never tolerate, consider, allow. Even your saying it will make some dismiss you. 

My checkered career includes a 5 year stint working with men adjudicated NGRI--many of whom had murdered loved ones in the throes of major mental illness. When on medication with illness in check, they were not simply remorseful but appalled &amp; terrified by the power of delusion/hallucinations over their behavior. I think applying this perspective of understanding to the brain-damaged pedophile may be a way to cut through the defenses of jurors. 

Specifically, I would show a history of no such behavior prior to brain damage. (S/he was like you before this happened!) 

Show the brain damaged area with simple visual aids of brain area/function that was damaged and explain that it manages impulse control including sexual impulses. (The brain is a mystery and concrete/simplified but accurate explanations go a long ways with jurors. If your client smiles or laughs inappropriately--also explain that as part of damage done so jurors do not attribute it to lack of remorse or evil.) 

Use expert testimony to introduce the idea of how horrifying it would be for your client if they were able to understand the impact of their behavior (&quot;a there but for the grace of God go I&quot; concept introduction) and identify a plan to contain/control/manage behavior &amp; access to children in the future (risk to children is minimized). 

Your goal has to be to introduce tolerable empathy for the defendant, not for his/her behavior. You show jurors that children will be protected and allow jurors to therefore show appropriate mercy. 

It&#039;s a wonderful and thoughtful post, an important topic and a scary one for most jurors to contemplate. All the more important for us to consider in preparation for eventual litigation advocacy. Thanks Gideon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a terrific post! It&#8217;s a tough topic&#8211;we want to see sex offenders (and especially pedophiles) as evil &#038; willful and responsible. Considering non-self-driven motivations for sexually assaulting a child goes against how most of us see ourselves&#8211;as protectors of children. The very idea that there is &#8220;a little child molester in all of us&#8221; is something most people would never tolerate, consider, allow. Even your saying it will make some dismiss you. </p>
<p>My checkered career includes a 5 year stint working with men adjudicated NGRI&#8211;many of whom had murdered loved ones in the throes of major mental illness. When on medication with illness in check, they were not simply remorseful but appalled &#038; terrified by the power of delusion/hallucinations over their behavior. I think applying this perspective of understanding to the brain-damaged pedophile may be a way to cut through the defenses of jurors. </p>
<p>Specifically, I would show a history of no such behavior prior to brain damage. (S/he was like you before this happened!) </p>
<p>Show the brain damaged area with simple visual aids of brain area/function that was damaged and explain that it manages impulse control including sexual impulses. (The brain is a mystery and concrete/simplified but accurate explanations go a long ways with jurors. If your client smiles or laughs inappropriately&#8211;also explain that as part of damage done so jurors do not attribute it to lack of remorse or evil.) </p>
<p>Use expert testimony to introduce the idea of how horrifying it would be for your client if they were able to understand the impact of their behavior (&#8220;a there but for the grace of God go I&#8221; concept introduction) and identify a plan to contain/control/manage behavior &#038; access to children in the future (risk to children is minimized). </p>
<p>Your goal has to be to introduce tolerable empathy for the defendant, not for his/her behavior. You show jurors that children will be protected and allow jurors to therefore show appropriate mercy. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a wonderful and thoughtful post, an important topic and a scary one for most jurors to contemplate. All the more important for us to consider in preparation for eventual litigation advocacy. Thanks Gideon!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Horowitz</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2009/12/04/judging-evil-do-pedophiles-have-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-52288</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been fascinated by this question, although I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve ever thought about it in the context of pedophilia specifically.  But having been interested in cognitive science and questions relating to the social construction of the self, consciousness and what it means to be a person, I&#039;ve often wondered about the interrelationship between free will and behavior.

Clearly, it is fallacious to say that because someone can control an impulse sometimes, they can control that impulse all the time.  This is particularly true when we&#039;re talking about biologically-driven (or at least mediated) situations. 

I&#039;ve gotten pretty good at not urinating in my pants in public, or in bed at night.  I can go without food for a significant period of time if I&#039;m too busy to eat.  I&#039;ve gone as long as two days without sleep more often than I care to think about.  

But sooner or later, no matter how well I&#039;ve been able to control myself in these ways, biology and physiology win out.  

Some die-hard &quot;free willers&quot; will no doubt say, &quot;But that&#039;s different.  The physiological need to urinate, eat and sleep are different from the drive to do things you&#039;re not supposed to do!&quot; 

I have two possible responses to this: 

1. Why?
2. Prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been fascinated by this question, although I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve ever thought about it in the context of pedophilia specifically.  But having been interested in cognitive science and questions relating to the social construction of the self, consciousness and what it means to be a person, I&#8217;ve often wondered about the interrelationship between free will and behavior.</p>
<p>Clearly, it is fallacious to say that because someone can control an impulse sometimes, they can control that impulse all the time.  This is particularly true when we&#8217;re talking about biologically-driven (or at least mediated) situations. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gotten pretty good at not urinating in my pants in public, or in bed at night.  I can go without food for a significant period of time if I&#8217;m too busy to eat.  I&#8217;ve gone as long as two days without sleep more often than I care to think about.  </p>
<p>But sooner or later, no matter how well I&#8217;ve been able to control myself in these ways, biology and physiology win out.  </p>
<p>Some die-hard &#8220;free willers&#8221; will no doubt say, &#8220;But that&#8217;s different.  The physiological need to urinate, eat and sleep are different from the drive to do things you&#8217;re not supposed to do!&#8221; </p>
<p>I have two possible responses to this: </p>
<p>1. Why?<br />
2. Prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2009/12/04/judging-evil-do-pedophiles-have-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-52280</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the overburdened criminal justice system can survive &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; such a discussion.

I think you&#039;ll find a lot more people who can&#039;t stomach the idea of being sexually attracted to a child than can&#039;t stomach the idea of murdering someone or smoking crach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the overburdened criminal justice system can survive <i>without</i> such a discussion.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll find a lot more people who can&#8217;t stomach the idea of being sexually attracted to a child than can&#8217;t stomach the idea of murdering someone or smoking crach.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure the overburdened criminal justice system could bear the weight of a fascinating philosophical discussion on free will and whether such a thing exists.

It might be simpler to simply say: his brain is damaged, thus show mercy.

The implication of pedophilia being organic is that there&#039;s a little child molester in all of us and that, to many, is simply unthinkable. But there&#039;s nothing novel about that: many people hold the same belief about drug users or murderers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure the overburdened criminal justice system could bear the weight of a fascinating philosophical discussion on free will and whether such a thing exists.</p>
<p>It might be simpler to simply say: his brain is damaged, thus show mercy.</p>
<p>The implication of pedophilia being organic is that there&#8217;s a little child molester in all of us and that, to many, is simply unthinkable. But there&#8217;s nothing novel about that: many people hold the same belief about drug users or murderers.</p>
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