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		<title>By: SFOLaw</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/04/29/kool-aid-drinker/comment-page-1/#comment-39222</link>
		<dc:creator>SFOLaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Western Justice&#039;s&quot; position is too simplistic. There is no such thing as pure pursuit of the truth. There will always be three sides of the truth; my side, your side, and the actual truth. Human psychology does not allow for the &quot;truth&quot; to be viewed the same by each individual.

The defense attorney&#039;s job is to defend and the prosecutor&#039;s is to prosecute. It is that simple. It does not matter if the defense knows for a fact that the client is guilty or not. If he wants a European system let him go to Europe. I think he will find that that system has just as many pitfalls as ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Western Justice&#8217;s&#8221; position is too simplistic. There is no such thing as pure pursuit of the truth. There will always be three sides of the truth; my side, your side, and the actual truth. Human psychology does not allow for the &#8220;truth&#8221; to be viewed the same by each individual.</p>
<p>The defense attorney&#8217;s job is to defend and the prosecutor&#8217;s is to prosecute. It is that simple. It does not matter if the defense knows for a fact that the client is guilty or not. If he wants a European system let him go to Europe. I think he will find that that system has just as many pitfalls as ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/04/29/kool-aid-drinker/comment-page-1/#comment-29414</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Related post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://apublicdefender.com/2008/05/04/dallas-da-wants-to-punish-brady-violators/&quot;&gt;Dallas DA wants to punish Brady violators&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related post: <a href="http://apublicdefender.com/2008/05/04/dallas-da-wants-to-punish-brady-violators/">Dallas DA wants to punish Brady violators</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dallas DA wants to punish Brady violators &#124; a public defender</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/04/29/kool-aid-drinker/comment-page-1/#comment-29412</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallas DA wants to punish Brady violators &#124; a public defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] day is link dump daykathy on State makes first arrest in wake of MySpace&#8217;s divulgenceSPO on Kool-Aid drinkerGideon on Ethical violations: A reluctance to reportGideon on Kool-Aid drinker What I&#039;m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] day is link dump daykathy on State makes first arrest in wake of MySpace&#8217;s divulgenceSPO on Kool-Aid drinkerGideon on Ethical violations: A reluctance to reportGideon on Kool-Aid drinker What I&#8217;m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SPO</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/04/29/kool-aid-drinker/comment-page-1/#comment-28527</link>
		<dc:creator>SPO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope.  Why would it be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  Why would it be?</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/04/29/kool-aid-drinker/comment-page-1/#comment-28485</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the comment. Taking what you say at face value, will you acknowledge that your view is in the minority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. Taking what you say at face value, will you acknowledge that your view is in the minority?</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/04/29/kool-aid-drinker/comment-page-1/#comment-28477</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 21:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let&#039;s take this very simple scenario:

I am pulled over for speeding. I know I am speeding. The cop tickets me, but the ticket is too high and I don&#039;t want points on my license. So I contest the ticket.

I have a hearing at which I ask the cop about the calibration of the radar gun and can successfully prove that the gun was not properly calibrated and its numbers would have been off by about 15 mph, which would have put me within the speed limit.

Is that wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s take this very simple scenario:</p>
<p>I am pulled over for speeding. I know I am speeding. The cop tickets me, but the ticket is too high and I don&#8217;t want points on my license. So I contest the ticket.</p>
<p>I have a hearing at which I ask the cop about the calibration of the radar gun and can successfully prove that the gun was not properly calibrated and its numbers would have been off by about 15 mph, which would have put me within the speed limit.</p>
<p>Is that wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: SPO</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/04/29/kool-aid-drinker/comment-page-1/#comment-28459</link>
		<dc:creator>SPO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan, that&#039;s abjectly silly, and I suspect you know it.  Westerfield&#039;s attorneys knew damned well that he &quot;did it&quot; (i.e., murdered Danielle Van Dam), and they argued to the jury that the parents&#039; swinger friends could have done it.  Well, how could they have done it?  Westerfield did it.  That&#039;s a lie.  

I don&#039;t think you do your side any favors with nonsense like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan, that&#8217;s abjectly silly, and I suspect you know it.  Westerfield&#8217;s attorneys knew damned well that he &#8220;did it&#8221; (i.e., murdered Danielle Van Dam), and they argued to the jury that the parents&#8217; swinger friends could have done it.  Well, how could they have done it?  Westerfield did it.  That&#8217;s a lie.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you do your side any favors with nonsense like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ate a sandwich for lunch.  I could have had a pizza.  This statement is a lie !?  Whoa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ate a sandwich for lunch.  I could have had a pizza.  This statement is a lie !?  Whoa.</p>
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		<title>By: SPO</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, what&#039;s your view on a defense attorney knowing his client &quot;did it&quot; and arguing to a jury that &quot;someone else could have done it&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, what&#8217;s your view on a defense attorney knowing his client &#8220;did it&#8221; and arguing to a jury that &#8220;someone else could have done it&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/04/29/kool-aid-drinker/comment-page-1/#comment-28277</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m a prosecutor, and surely that’s where my bias lies. But at least I’m aware of it and actively try to account for it.

I can’t speak for every prosecutor’s/DA’s/USA’s office in America, but in my office for every two police reports we charge, we deny charges on one. Stop and think about that ratio for a moment. This simple fact, in my mind, is a compelling response to the tone of challenge in your post.  An innocent suspect’s best friend is me reading his police report. So, I think I do more than my share of searching for the truth, thank you very much. Perfect? Of course not. A lot closer than you’d be willing to admit? Absolutely. Feel free to take the credit when I don’t charge your potential client with a crime, but I’m the one who didn’t sign the warrant.

True, some of what we don’t charge is b/c of what we know even a minimally competent defense attorney can do with it to create reasonable doubt. So in that respect, the defense bar plays an indispensible role in the criminal justice system. Please keep up the good work. The more good defense attorneys there are, the easier I find it to do my job. Not necessarily win more of my cases, but do my job. Unfortunately, my job remains quite difficult a lot of the time. And btw, a good defense attorney accepts the difference between “my guy is innocent” and “the prosecutor hasn’t carried his burden.” Those who don’t, and who come up with snarky equivalencies, could probably benefit from being a little more honest with themselves and the precise parameters of their very important job.

But because I’m a biased prosecutor, I will say that there is really no way around the differences between “I seek to do justice and to incapacitate murderers and rapists and the like by putting them in prison where they can’t hurt you” and “I hold the prosecution to its burden.” There are things to be said by all sides about which, if either, is more important. But don’t mistakenly think they are the same. There is no getting around that people murder other people, and people rape people, and the society of which we are all a part has decided that those actual offenders need to be incapacitated. Admit it – you want me to do my job well. To me that includes only bringing cases when I know I can meet my burden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a prosecutor, and surely that’s where my bias lies. But at least I’m aware of it and actively try to account for it.</p>
<p>I can’t speak for every prosecutor’s/DA’s/USA’s office in America, but in my office for every two police reports we charge, we deny charges on one. Stop and think about that ratio for a moment. This simple fact, in my mind, is a compelling response to the tone of challenge in your post.  An innocent suspect’s best friend is me reading his police report. So, I think I do more than my share of searching for the truth, thank you very much. Perfect? Of course not. A lot closer than you’d be willing to admit? Absolutely. Feel free to take the credit when I don’t charge your potential client with a crime, but I’m the one who didn’t sign the warrant.</p>
<p>True, some of what we don’t charge is b/c of what we know even a minimally competent defense attorney can do with it to create reasonable doubt. So in that respect, the defense bar plays an indispensible role in the criminal justice system. Please keep up the good work. The more good defense attorneys there are, the easier I find it to do my job. Not necessarily win more of my cases, but do my job. Unfortunately, my job remains quite difficult a lot of the time. And btw, a good defense attorney accepts the difference between “my guy is innocent” and “the prosecutor hasn’t carried his burden.” Those who don’t, and who come up with snarky equivalencies, could probably benefit from being a little more honest with themselves and the precise parameters of their very important job.</p>
<p>But because I’m a biased prosecutor, I will say that there is really no way around the differences between “I seek to do justice and to incapacitate murderers and rapists and the like by putting them in prison where they can’t hurt you” and “I hold the prosecution to its burden.” There are things to be said by all sides about which, if either, is more important. But don’t mistakenly think they are the same. There is no getting around that people murder other people, and people rape people, and the society of which we are all a part has decided that those actual offenders need to be incapacitated. Admit it – you want me to do my job well. To me that includes only bringing cases when I know I can meet my burden.</p>
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