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	<title>Comments on: The courtroom as assembly line</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/03/28/the-courtroom-as-assembly-line/#comment-20204</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the phrase that would induce the same result would probably be: "Do you want some coffee?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the phrase that would induce the same result would probably be: &#8220;Do you want some coffee?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: nollequeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>nollequeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is something about the canvass that causes me to have involuntary "out of body’ experiences. Usually I go out the door behind the judge and wander down the hallway...

If you should ever hear that I am hospitalized in a deep coma, please come to the hospital and say the magic phrase, "Counsel, do you know of any reason why this plea should not be accepted?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something about the canvass that causes me to have involuntary &#8220;out of body’ experiences. Usually I go out the door behind the judge and wander down the hallway&#8230;</p>
<p>If you should ever hear that I am hospitalized in a deep coma, please come to the hospital and say the magic phrase, &#8220;Counsel, do you know of any reason why this plea should not be accepted?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: S.cotus</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/03/28/the-courtroom-as-assembly-line/#comment-20019</link>
		<dc:creator>S.cotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woman in Black,

In some jurisdictions, judges and defense attorneys will deliberately take a plea without it being “knowing and voluntary.”  While this sounds bad, there is a little more going on in the background.

As you know, the collateral consequences for some crimes (in terms of later federal convictions or administrative consequences) are much, much, greater.

State court judges are aware of this, and in some jurisdictions figure it is better to have  the defendant do whatever time (or rehabilitation) the state mandates, and then to later have the conviction attacked on motion.  

Essentially, some states have developed fairly enlightened sentencing schemes.  The only way to make them work is to treat lower-level drug crimes as just that – lower-level crimes.  However, if the federal sentencing scheme makes them into much greater crimes (requiring, say, a 10-year conviction upon a first federal conviction following  a state conviction), the state system loses its impact.  So, giving a defendant the option to argue (if he is ever facing a federal sentencing) that his first conviction was invalid (because of an invalid plea), then the state judge has helped everyone (except for the federal prosecutor).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woman in Black,</p>
<p>In some jurisdictions, judges and defense attorneys will deliberately take a plea without it being “knowing and voluntary.”  While this sounds bad, there is a little more going on in the background.</p>
<p>As you know, the collateral consequences for some crimes (in terms of later federal convictions or administrative consequences) are much, much, greater.</p>
<p>State court judges are aware of this, and in some jurisdictions figure it is better to have  the defendant do whatever time (or rehabilitation) the state mandates, and then to later have the conviction attacked on motion.  </p>
<p>Essentially, some states have developed fairly enlightened sentencing schemes.  The only way to make them work is to treat lower-level drug crimes as just that – lower-level crimes.  However, if the federal sentencing scheme makes them into much greater crimes (requiring, say, a 10-year conviction upon a first federal conviction following  a state conviction), the state system loses its impact.  So, giving a defendant the option to argue (if he is ever facing a federal sentencing) that his first conviction was invalid (because of an invalid plea), then the state judge has helped everyone (except for the federal prosecutor).</p>
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		<title>By: Donzell</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2008/03/28/the-courtroom-as-assembly-line/#comment-19844</link>
		<dc:creator>Donzell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with you, gideon that the behavior of that prosecutor is deplorable, and i did not mean to imply that kind of behavior is doing your best. to keep up with the MASH metaphor, that prosecutor reminds me of Frank Burns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with you, gideon that the behavior of that prosecutor is deplorable, and i did not mean to imply that kind of behavior is doing your best. to keep up with the MASH metaphor, that prosecutor reminds me of Frank Burns.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough Donzell. However, I don't see drifting in and out and ignoring pleas and sentencings while thinking about the upcoming weekend as doing your best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough Donzell. However, I don&#8217;t see drifting in and out and ignoring pleas and sentencings while thinking about the upcoming weekend as doing your best.</p>
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		<title>By: Donzell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donzell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in MASH, Hawkeye called what he and his fellow surgeons did everyday as meatball surgery. i took that to mean doing your best with what you got under the worst of conditions. i see pd work in a similar light, and not like an assembly line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in MASH, Hawkeye called what he and his fellow surgeons did everyday as meatball surgery. i took that to mean doing your best with what you got under the worst of conditions. i see pd work in a similar light, and not like an assembly line.</p>
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		<title>By: Woman in Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woman in Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw a case on appeal where the judge, defense lawyer and prosecutor did not actually allow the defendant to say "guilty" in a change of plea hearing.  That is some serious inattention.  And creates a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a case on appeal where the judge, defense lawyer and prosecutor did not actually allow the defendant to say &#8220;guilty&#8221; in a change of plea hearing.  That is some serious inattention.  And creates a mess.</p>
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