Is Manslaughter an LIO of murder?
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Scott’s recent post jogged my memory about a problem I had a number of years ago with the generally accepted proposition that manslaughter is a lesser included offense of murder.
Generally speaking, one offense is a lesser included offense (LIO) of another, if you cannot commit the greater crime without committing the lesser. The best example of this, in CT law, is Robbery 1st and Robbery 3rd. They both share identical elements, except Robbery 1st had the additional element of a firearm/weapon. So, it is simple that you cannot commit Robbery in the First degree without first committing Robbery 3rd.
For the most part, I understand this concept. The only area that I cannot seem to get my head around is how manslaughter is a lesser included offense of murder. (Note: This doesn’t mean that it isn’t; just that I don’t get it.)
The best place to start is the statute itself. The murder statute reads:
(a) A person is guilty of murder when, with intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person or causes a suicide by force, duress or deception;
The elements:
- Specific intent to cause death
- Of another person
- Causes death
So, given our Robbery example above, shouldn’t it follow that the Manslaughter statute should contain some of the elements of the murder statute, but not all?
Here’s Manslaughter:
(1) With intent to cause serious physical injury to another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person; or (2) with intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person under circumstances which do not constitute murder because he committed the proscribed act or acts under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance, as provided in subsection (a) of section 53a-54a, except that the fact that homicide was committed under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance constitutes a mitigating circumstance reducing murder to manslaughter in the first degree and need not be proved in any prosecution initiated under this subsection; or (3) under circumstances evincing an extreme indifference to human life, he recklessly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of death to another person, and thereby causes the death of another person.
Sub (1) cannot be an LIO of Murder, because it has an element different than that of murder, viz., the intent to cause injury as opposed to death. Sub (2) is what you get when you mount a successful EED defense to murder, again by negating intent.
Sub (3) on the other hand, is interesting. The elements broken down:
- Circumstances evincing extreme indifference…
- recklessly engage in conduct
- create a grave risk of death
- causes death
The only element similar to murder is the causation. In both, the acts of the accused have to cause the death of the victim. But that is where they diverge. Murder requires the specific intent to cause the death of another. Manslaughter requires that you act in a reckless manner and essentially don’t care if someone else dies. It’s clear that it is a different element. However, the courts seem to interpret it as a not fully formed element. It’s almost as if we’re saying that recklessness is half-way to specific intent.
So if you have the specific intent to kill someone, you also don’t care if they die. This I get from the acquittal first charge. The acquittal first charge says that you must first acquit of the greater before considering the lesser. However, in several cases, the courts have reversed a conviction on the greater (murder), finding an insufficiency of evidence and then remanded for a re-sentencing on the lesser (manslaughter), on the premise that in order to convict of murder, the jury must have found all the elements of manslaughter.
It is this that I cannot get my head around. So they’re essentially saying that on a scale of 1-3, murder is 3 and manslaughter is 2.5. In order to get to 3, you have to get to 2.5 first.
I just don’t buy it, though. How do you reconcile the intent to kill someone with the lack of regard for whether they live or die? Isn’t it the opposite? If you intend to kill someone, you care very deeply whether they live or die. So how is not caring whether someone lives or dies a step on the way to wanting them to die?
Or does this all make sense to you and I’m just nucking futs.
Sources: State v. Whistnant, 179 Conn. 576 (1980), State v. Greene, 274 Conn. 134 (2005), State v. Carpenter, 214 Conn. 77 (1990).
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Would you please frame that in disjunctive as well so we can have additional options?
You need me to give you more options to call me names? You’re imaginative enough. Come up with something on your own
Okay, my serious comment is that I see your point quite clearly. The intent elements are not parallel. One is for the specific intent of death, the other specific intent of serious physical injury. For non-lawyers, these are very different intents, even though serious injury may seem to be a subset of death.
I can only assume that somewhere along the way, CT courts have made the strange interpretation that allows the assumption that the intent for one subsumes the intent for the LIO. It doesn’t strike me as logical, but I’m not from Connecticut and I don’t even understand how Joe Liberman is a Democrat.
Well, I don’t think that is the specific problem that I have (although courts here have held that manslaughter with a firearm can be an LIO of murder, if charged accordingly).
I’m struggling with the recklessness part of it.
Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat. Hasn’t been since losing the Democratic primary in ‘06. He is a Republipendent.
I don’t see any nexus for the recklessness part. Your murder statute has no reckless murder. It’s intentional or nothing. So how do they find reckless man a less or murder? It makes no sense at all to have a reckless as a lesser of a specific intent. Are we both missing something? There has to be some caselaw that explains this, no?
That’s what I thought! All the case law that’s out there holds that it is an LIO, presumably because recklessness is part of forming a specific intent. I just don’t get it.
Our court had to decide that question many years ago; our statutes are different from your’s, but the dissimilarities exist. Fact of the matter is, the state wanted it to be a lesser, so things got contorted about and now it is a lesser. When it is really not. We use straight up Blockberger analysis and it does not work. You are not the crazy one - not today, anyway.
Yeah, I don’t get it. I think it’s currently in the process of being challenged.
Allow a non-criminal law atty to take a stab at it. Subd (1) requires the intent to cause injury, right? When you intend to kill someone, you intend to cause injury (death being the greatest injury one can get), right? So, Subd (1) is a LIO, right? What am i missing?
Not quite. The intent you need to commit murder is the intent to kill. The intent required for manslaughter under sub (1) is the intent to seriously injure, but not kill. For if it were intent to kill, then it would be murder.
The problem I have is with sub (3).
With respect to subd (3), I think you overanalyze. Basically subd (3) is murder without the “caring” about the result. Thought of that way, I think that Subd (3) can easily be an LIO of murder.
With respect to Subd (1), isn’t that the whole idea of LIO? The greater crime “swallows” up the LIO. If I intended to kill someone and succeed, I have also tried to injure them–killing being impossible sans injury.
Ah, Connecticut law.
One cannot intend to cause death without intending to cause serious physical injury. State v. Murray.
Sad to say, the Appellate Court isn’t buying it.
Also… There’s another case and I’m not quite remembering it off the top of my head right now… State v. Rodriguez, I think, that stands for the proposition lower levels of intent may serve as “same elements” in the case of LIOs.