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		<title>By: Courthouse Steps Syndrome &#124; a public defender</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/14/cover-your-ass-ery/comment-page-1/#comment-38948</link>
		<dc:creator>Courthouse Steps Syndrome &#124; a public defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] long time ago I wrote two posts on the propensity of some lawyers to blabber too much in court, either with or without the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Covering Your Ass : Defending People</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/14/cover-your-ass-ery/comment-page-1/#comment-19571</link>
		<dc:creator>Covering Your Ass : Defending People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an interesting discussion going on over at Gideon&#8217;s A Public Defender about lawyers covering their asses (an effete small-town judge once threatened to report me to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: More on Covering Your Ass : Defending People</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/14/cover-your-ass-ery/comment-page-1/#comment-19570</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Covering Your Ass : Defending People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Every man needs a code to live by. When it comes to protection of the attorney-client privilege, it appears that my code puts me on the radical fringe. Under my code, everything I tell my client is privileged. I will only disclose it if disclosure helps my client, or if the client waives the privilege. Miranda thinks it&#8217;s okay to make a record, in anticipation of a possible future claim to the contrary, that the client&#8217;s rejection of the plea offer was against the advice of counsel. (See her comments to Gideon&#8217;s post of yesterday). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Every man needs a code to live by. When it comes to protection of the attorney-client privilege, it appears that my code puts me on the radical fringe. Under my code, everything I tell my client is privileged. I will only disclose it if disclosure helps my client, or if the client waives the privilege. Miranda thinks it&#8217;s okay to make a record, in anticipation of a possible future claim to the contrary, that the client&#8217;s rejection of the plea offer was against the advice of counsel. (See her comments to Gideon&#8217;s post of yesterday). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sometimes I think the media shouldn&#8217;t cover crim justice stories at all &#124; a public defender</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/14/cover-your-ass-ery/comment-page-1/#comment-9941</link>
		<dc:creator>Sometimes I think the media shouldn&#8217;t cover crim justice stories at all &#124; a public defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] said this before and what I heard on the radio today re-affirmed this belief. Sometimes, I think they don&#8217;t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cover your ass-ery continues &#124; a public defender</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/14/cover-your-ass-ery/comment-page-1/#comment-6367</link>
		<dc:creator>Cover your ass-ery continues &#124; a public defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the series of posts last month about the Hartford pastor that rejected plea deals despite DNA evidence proving [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rewind: The maelstrom that is cover your ass-ery &#124; a public defender</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/14/cover-your-ass-ery/comment-page-1/#comment-4948</link>
		<dc:creator>Rewind: The maelstrom that is cover your ass-ery &#124; a public defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post two days ago about the appropriateness of comments made to the media has sparked intense discussion [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/14/cover-your-ass-ery/comment-page-1/#comment-4127</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;m annoying now, I know.  But here&#039;s a portion of the commentary from the Rules of Professional Conduct, as published in the 2007 Connecticut Practice Book:

Rule 1.6: Confidentiality of Information

&quot;Except to the extent that the client&#039;s instructions or special circumstances limit that authority, a lawyer is impliedly authorized to make disclosures about a client when appropriate in carrying out the representation.  In some situations, for example, a lawyer may be impliedly authorized to admit a fact that cannot properly be disputed to make a disclosure that facilitates a satifactory conclusion to a matter.&quot;

A strict interpretation of this, I suppose, would preclude an attorney from offering any information not necessary to ensuring that the client&#039;s decision (be it plea or some kind of waiver) is accepted by way of an adequate canvass.  Any additional information would be in violation of the rule.  

People will still disagree on what&#039;s appropriate and not, but there&#039;s the relevant commentary, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m annoying now, I know.  But here&#8217;s a portion of the commentary from the Rules of Professional Conduct, as published in the 2007 Connecticut Practice Book:</p>
<p>Rule 1.6: Confidentiality of Information</p>
<p>&#8220;Except to the extent that the client&#8217;s instructions or special circumstances limit that authority, a lawyer is impliedly authorized to make disclosures about a client when appropriate in carrying out the representation.  In some situations, for example, a lawyer may be impliedly authorized to admit a fact that cannot properly be disputed to make a disclosure that facilitates a satifactory conclusion to a matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>A strict interpretation of this, I suppose, would preclude an attorney from offering any information not necessary to ensuring that the client&#8217;s decision (be it plea or some kind of waiver) is accepted by way of an adequate canvass.  Any additional information would be in violation of the rule.  </p>
<p>People will still disagree on what&#8217;s appropriate and not, but there&#8217;s the relevant commentary, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - if all questions about whether an attorney discussed the offer, or anything about the case, with the client violate the privilege, then don&#039;t we ask our clients to waive the privilege in this respect everytime they go through a canvass - plea, jury waiver, or otherwise??  This seems curious to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; if all questions about whether an attorney discussed the offer, or anything about the case, with the client violate the privilege, then don&#8217;t we ask our clients to waive the privilege in this respect everytime they go through a canvass &#8211; plea, jury waiver, or otherwise??  This seems curious to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, 

If my comments seemed to support Gerace, then I wasn&#039;t clear.  That was not my intent.  I merely wished to raise a corollary issue - a discussion about how and when, if ever, it is appropriate to indicate to the court that your client has made a decision that is not consistent with your advice.  There are a million different ways to handle the situation and to say it, and I was hoping for a meaningful dialogue about it.  While I do not endorse Gerace&#039;s particular comments for a number of reasons, I have seen many attorneys say something to that effect (albeit muted and more Gideon-esque) on the record. 

I used an IAC claim as an example of an event in the future that would benefit from a good record.  I am certainly not advocating that attorneys should put their own interests above those of their clients and/or take action detrimental to their clients.  Quite frankly, I don&#039;t think either of my posts imply that.

I understand the dilemma about not being permitted to divulge privledged communications, which is why this issue is especially intriguing and important. My posing the question - How does this hurt your client&#039;s interests - was not so much in response to an ethical question about privileged communication, but to your comment that it puts the attorney&#039;s interests above the client&#039;s. Obviously, if it&#039;s privileged information or otherwise harmful to your client&#039;s case, then this would be true.  But if it&#039;s not?

This begs the question we&#039;ve all danced around - does any statement to this effect violate the privilege and if so, how?  Why is it okay to say I advised my client of the maximum penalty, and of the elements of the offense with which he is charged, and of the evidence against him, etc.?  I submit it&#039;s a gray area, and I&#039;m interested in people&#039;s theories on where to draw the line. 

Finally, I resent your implication that I am unethical - you have no idea how I practice or what I&#039;ve done in the past in a courtroom.  I raised a question I thought was interesting in light of the fact that I&#039;ve seen attorneys handle the situation in many different ways. I very much would like to have a discussion about the ethics of this issue without unnecessary and unjustified hostility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, </p>
<p>If my comments seemed to support Gerace, then I wasn&#8217;t clear.  That was not my intent.  I merely wished to raise a corollary issue &#8211; a discussion about how and when, if ever, it is appropriate to indicate to the court that your client has made a decision that is not consistent with your advice.  There are a million different ways to handle the situation and to say it, and I was hoping for a meaningful dialogue about it.  While I do not endorse Gerace&#8217;s particular comments for a number of reasons, I have seen many attorneys say something to that effect (albeit muted and more Gideon-esque) on the record. </p>
<p>I used an IAC claim as an example of an event in the future that would benefit from a good record.  I am certainly not advocating that attorneys should put their own interests above those of their clients and/or take action detrimental to their clients.  Quite frankly, I don&#8217;t think either of my posts imply that.</p>
<p>I understand the dilemma about not being permitted to divulge privledged communications, which is why this issue is especially intriguing and important. My posing the question &#8211; How does this hurt your client&#8217;s interests &#8211; was not so much in response to an ethical question about privileged communication, but to your comment that it puts the attorney&#8217;s interests above the client&#8217;s. Obviously, if it&#8217;s privileged information or otherwise harmful to your client&#8217;s case, then this would be true.  But if it&#8217;s not?</p>
<p>This begs the question we&#8217;ve all danced around &#8211; does any statement to this effect violate the privilege and if so, how?  Why is it okay to say I advised my client of the maximum penalty, and of the elements of the offense with which he is charged, and of the evidence against him, etc.?  I submit it&#8217;s a gray area, and I&#8217;m interested in people&#8217;s theories on where to draw the line. </p>
<p>Finally, I resent your implication that I am unethical &#8211; you have no idea how I practice or what I&#8217;ve done in the past in a courtroom.  I raised a question I thought was interesting in light of the fact that I&#8217;ve seen attorneys handle the situation in many different ways. I very much would like to have a discussion about the ethics of this issue without unnecessary and unjustified hostility.</p>
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		<title>By: The maelstrom that is cover your ass-ery &#124; a public defender</title>
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		<dc:creator>The maelstrom that is cover your ass-ery &#124; a public defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the appropriateness of comments made to the media has sparked intense discussion in the comments here and in posts from Scott and the [...]</description>
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