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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/07/tough-on-crime-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-3870</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;3851&quot;]Gideon, I was just surprised because I started at half that and currently make about 2/3 that.  Yes, I&#039;m a public defender, and proud of it!  I&#039;m not just spamming your site...[/quote]
Ruth, I was surprised too, when I started at the PD&#039;s office. I&#039;m not complaining, but I had heard the horror stories too. Maybe you should move to CT!

I figured you were a pd and not just a spammer who liked pds ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="3851"]Gideon, I was just surprised because I started at half that and currently make about 2/3 that.  Yes, I&#8217;m a public defender, and proud of it!  I&#8217;m not just spamming your site&#8230;[/quote]<br />
Ruth, I was surprised too, when I started at the PD&#8217;s office. I&#8217;m not complaining, but I had heard the horror stories too. Maybe you should move to CT!</p>
<p>I figured you were a pd and not just a spammer who liked pds <img src='http://apublicdefender.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/07/tough-on-crime-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-3851</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gideon, I was just surprised because I started at half that and currently make about 2/3 that.  Yes, I&#039;m a public defender, and proud of it!  I&#039;m not just spamming your site...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gideon, I was just surprised because I started at half that and currently make about 2/3 that.  Yes, I&#8217;m a public defender, and proud of it!  I&#8217;m not just spamming your site&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/07/tough-on-crime-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-3793</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like they may have gotten the killer of those young adults in Newark:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/09/schoolyard.killings/index.html

Seems like the suspect has a record.  Quelle surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like they may have gotten the killer of those young adults in Newark:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/09/schoolyard.killings/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/09/schoolyard.killings/index.html</a></p>
<p>Seems like the suspect has a record.  Quelle surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/07/tough-on-crime-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-3754</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the only reason we get that is that we&#039;re required to have parity with the prosecutors, per statute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the only reason we get that is that we&#8217;re required to have parity with the prosecutors, per statute.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/07/tough-on-crime-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-3750</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I can&#039;t get past it.  Connecticut PDs *start* at 51K a year?!  Are you guys hiring?  What states do you have reciprocity with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I can&#8217;t get past it.  Connecticut PDs *start* at 51K a year?!  Are you guys hiring?  What states do you have reciprocity with?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/07/tough-on-crime-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-3692</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We will post criminal conviction information online, taking care, however, to post the information in a form that will reduce the risk of identity theft.&quot;

http://www.jud.ct.gov/external/news/press210.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We will post criminal conviction information online, taking care, however, to post the information in a form that will reduce the risk of identity theft.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jud.ct.gov/external/news/press210.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.jud.ct.gov/external/news/press210.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/07/tough-on-crime-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-3685</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;3669&quot;]Some points:

1)  There are costs to letting criminals off with lenient sentences, and not just in blood, the increase in crime causes increased medical costs, depressed economic activity etc. etc.  Going on the presumption that many criminals do what they do multiple times (e.g., a guy who knocks over an old lady probably mugs on numerous occasions), locking up a mugger or a burglar for a long stretch prevents a ton of crime, and crimes have costs too.

2)  I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that prison beds and other types of programs dealing with criminals are scarce resources.  This reality pops up with the one size fits all approach to sex offenders.  The more resources expended on dealing with low-level threats (and I include such persons&#039; decreased earning potential etc. as an expense), the less that will be focused on truly dangerous offenders.

3)  Twenty years ago, I don&#039;t think we were all that bright when it came to punishing criminals.  Revolving door justice brought a ton of misery onto society.  And that was unacceptable.  Repeated and violent offenders need to be locked away for good.  For good.

So Gideon, I&#039;ll ask a hypo, point blank:

Let&#039;s say a guy has the following record:  a couple of convictions for forcible robbery (armed with a knife), a couple of convictions of burglary, and a couple of drug possession convictions, and then he graduates to forcible stranger rape and robbery (so there&#039;s no issue about consent).  What, in an ideal world would his total sentence be?  And then of that, when would he be eligible for parole?  And if you&#039;re going to say it depends on criminal, then what would be the minimum total time and the earliest time eligible for parole?

Mine is life, parole eligible by 30.[/quote]
In your hypo, given his record, assuming no drug  dependency, I&#039;d say 25, execution suspended after 20, parole eligibility after 17 years (roughly 85%), 5 years probation (assuming this is a plea).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="3669"]Some points:</p>
<p>1)  There are costs to letting criminals off with lenient sentences, and not just in blood, the increase in crime causes increased medical costs, depressed economic activity etc. etc.  Going on the presumption that many criminals do what they do multiple times (e.g., a guy who knocks over an old lady probably mugs on numerous occasions), locking up a mugger or a burglar for a long stretch prevents a ton of crime, and crimes have costs too.</p>
<p>2)  I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that prison beds and other types of programs dealing with criminals are scarce resources.  This reality pops up with the one size fits all approach to sex offenders.  The more resources expended on dealing with low-level threats (and I include such persons&#8217; decreased earning potential etc. as an expense), the less that will be focused on truly dangerous offenders.</p>
<p>3)  Twenty years ago, I don&#8217;t think we were all that bright when it came to punishing criminals.  Revolving door justice brought a ton of misery onto society.  And that was unacceptable.  Repeated and violent offenders need to be locked away for good.  For good.</p>
<p>So Gideon, I&#8217;ll ask a hypo, point blank:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say a guy has the following record:  a couple of convictions for forcible robbery (armed with a knife), a couple of convictions of burglary, and a couple of drug possession convictions, and then he graduates to forcible stranger rape and robbery (so there&#8217;s no issue about consent).  What, in an ideal world would his total sentence be?  And then of that, when would he be eligible for parole?  And if you&#8217;re going to say it depends on criminal, then what would be the minimum total time and the earliest time eligible for parole?</p>
<p>Mine is life, parole eligible by 30.[/quote]<br />
In your hypo, given his record, assuming no drug  dependency, I&#8217;d say 25, execution suspended after 20, parole eligibility after 17 years (roughly 85%), 5 years probation (assuming this is a plea).</p>
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		<title>By: Sean O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/07/tough-on-crime-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-3670</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And while we&#039;re on the subject of learning, let&#039;s learn from the preventable tragedies described in this article.  Once again, and a story that has been played out thousands of times, a criminal murders, gets out, and murders again.  And people say the death penalty is barbaric.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070806/NEWS20/708060360/1001/NEWS20&quot;&gt;Link to story&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Ed. Note: Edited for style&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while we&#8217;re on the subject of learning, let&#8217;s learn from the preventable tragedies described in this article.  Once again, and a story that has been played out thousands of times, a criminal murders, gets out, and murders again.  And people say the death penalty is barbaric.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070806/NEWS20/708060360/1001/NEWS20">Link to story</a></p>
<p><em>Ed. Note: Edited for style</em></p>
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		<title>By: Sean O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some points:

1)  There are costs to letting criminals off with lenient sentences, and not just in blood, the increase in crime causes increased medical costs, depressed economic activity etc. etc.  Going on the presumption that many criminals do what they do multiple times (e.g., a guy who knocks over an old lady probably mugs on numerous occasions), locking up a mugger or a burglar for a long stretch prevents a ton of crime, and crimes have costs too.  

2)  I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that prison beds and other types of programs dealing with criminals are scarce resources.  This reality pops up with the one size fits all approach to sex offenders.  The more resources expended on dealing with low-level threats (and I include such persons&#039; decreased earning potential etc. as an expense), the less that will be focused on truly dangerous offenders.  

3)  Twenty years ago, I don&#039;t think we were all that bright when it came to punishing criminals.  Revolving door justice brought a ton of misery onto society.  And that was unacceptable.  Repeated and violent offenders need to be locked away for good.  For good. 

So Gideon, I&#039;ll ask a hypo, point blank:

Let&#039;s say a guy has the following record:  a couple of convictions for forcible robbery (armed with a knife), a couple of convictions of burglary, and a couple of drug possession convictions, and then he graduates to forcible stranger rape and robbery (so there&#039;s no issue about consent).  What, in an ideal world would his total sentence be?  And then of that, when would he be eligible for parole?  And if you&#039;re going to say it depends on criminal, then what would be the minimum total time and the earliest time eligible for parole?  

Mine is life, parole eligible by 30.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some points:</p>
<p>1)  There are costs to letting criminals off with lenient sentences, and not just in blood, the increase in crime causes increased medical costs, depressed economic activity etc. etc.  Going on the presumption that many criminals do what they do multiple times (e.g., a guy who knocks over an old lady probably mugs on numerous occasions), locking up a mugger or a burglar for a long stretch prevents a ton of crime, and crimes have costs too.  </p>
<p>2)  I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that prison beds and other types of programs dealing with criminals are scarce resources.  This reality pops up with the one size fits all approach to sex offenders.  The more resources expended on dealing with low-level threats (and I include such persons&#8217; decreased earning potential etc. as an expense), the less that will be focused on truly dangerous offenders.  </p>
<p>3)  Twenty years ago, I don&#8217;t think we were all that bright when it came to punishing criminals.  Revolving door justice brought a ton of misery onto society.  And that was unacceptable.  Repeated and violent offenders need to be locked away for good.  For good. </p>
<p>So Gideon, I&#8217;ll ask a hypo, point blank:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say a guy has the following record:  a couple of convictions for forcible robbery (armed with a knife), a couple of convictions of burglary, and a couple of drug possession convictions, and then he graduates to forcible stranger rape and robbery (so there&#8217;s no issue about consent).  What, in an ideal world would his total sentence be?  And then of that, when would he be eligible for parole?  And if you&#8217;re going to say it depends on criminal, then what would be the minimum total time and the earliest time eligible for parole?  </p>
<p>Mine is life, parole eligible by 30.</p>
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