Comments on: A plea of not guilty is NOT evading responsibility http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/ Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:29:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: In loco mass media | a public defender http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-55653 In loco mass media | a public defender Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:05:20 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-55653 [...] speak to the press after an arraignment or the resolution of a case. For far too long, I’ve complained about the lack of nuanced reporting from those assigned to the court beat. For far too long [...] [...] speak to the press after an arraignment or the resolution of a case. For far too long, I’ve complained about the lack of nuanced reporting from those assigned to the court beat. For far too long [...]

]]> By: Sean O'Brien http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-3435 Sean O'Brien Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:06:35 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-3435 You know, if you took the time to read what I wrote, you'd see the hypo answered. In any event, taking responsibility means owning up to what you did and facing the music. You know, if you took the time to read what I wrote, you’d see the hypo answered. In any event, taking responsibility means owning up to what you did and facing the music.

]]> By: Alec http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-3410 Alec Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:35:41 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-3410 How about this: what if someone pleads not guilty to possessing say, 100 marijuana plants, contending the actual number is something more like 10-15? And in their opening statement, the defense stipulates as much. Have they not "accepted responsibility" by your reasoning because they refused to yield to what they believe is the government's erroneous charge? How is trying to make the state prove the amount "inconsistent with taking responsibility" under those facts, Sean? How about this: what if someone pleads not guilty to possessing say, 100 marijuana plants, contending the actual number is something more like 10-15? And in their opening statement, the defense stipulates as much. Have they not “accepted responsibility” by your reasoning because they refused to yield to what they believe is the government’s erroneous charge? How is trying to make the state prove the amount “inconsistent with taking responsibility” under those facts, Sean?

]]> By: Mark Bennett http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-3406 Mark Bennett Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:58:32 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-3406 Oops. You seem to be saying that . . . Oops. You seem to be saying that . . .

]]> By: Mark Bennett http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-3405 Mark Bennett Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:57:55 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-3405 Gideon, you must be desperate for readers. Sean, you seem to be accepting responsibility means accepting the often-arbitrary legal consequences. Do you then equate "legal" with "ethical"? Do you imagine that our legislatures only pass laws that are morally or ethically correct? Or are you posting opinions again about things that you have never really though about it? Love, Mark. Gideon, you must be desperate for readers.

Sean, you seem to be accepting responsibility means accepting the often-arbitrary legal consequences. Do you then equate “legal” with “ethical”? Do you imagine that our legislatures only pass laws that are morally or ethically correct? Or are you posting opinions again about things that you have never really though about it?

Love,
Mark.

]]> By: Sean O'Brien http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-3385 Sean O'Brien Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:18:02 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-3385 I agree that everyone has the right to put the state to the test, but the bottom line is that acceptance of responsibility means that you don't try to fight the consequences. That putting the state to the test is a right doesn't mean that it does not say something about your character if you are, in fact, guilty as charged. Of course, there may be extenuating circumstances, like the harshness of punishment etc. But making the state try you and convict you is inconsistent with taking responsibility. I agree that everyone has the right to put the state to the test, but the bottom line is that acceptance of responsibility means that you don’t try to fight the consequences. That putting the state to the test is a right doesn’t mean that it does not say something about your character if you are, in fact, guilty as charged. Of course, there may be extenuating circumstances, like the harshness of punishment etc. But making the state try you and convict you is inconsistent with taking responsibility.

]]> By: Gideon http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-3382 Gideon Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:12:11 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-3382 You've got the naked head of a duck. What more do you want? You’ve got the naked head of a duck. What more do you want?

]]> By: Scott Greenfield http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-3381 Scott Greenfield Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:58:37 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-3381 What part of naked pictures don't you understand? What part of naked pictures don’t you understand?

]]> By: Gideon http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-3380 Gideon Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:40:52 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-3380 I'm not even going to pretend to understand that. I’m not even going to pretend to understand that.

]]> By: Scott Greenfield http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-3374 Scott Greenfield Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:54:49 +0000 http://apublicdefender.com/2007/08/02/a-plea-of-not-guilty-is-not-evading-responsibility/#comment-3374 What? No naked pictures? What a pointless story. But if it makes you feel any better, I fully expect a plea of not guilty to be sufficient for a 1001 violation. I guess obstruction of justice for testifying just isn't as fulfilling as it used to be. What? No naked pictures? What a pointless story.

But if it makes you feel any better, I fully expect a plea of not guilty to be sufficient for a 1001 violation. I guess obstruction of justice for testifying just isn’t as fulfilling as it used to be.

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