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		<title>By: Jury selection in &#8220;jury box voire dire&#8221; jurisdictions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jury selection in &#8220;jury box voire dire&#8221; jurisdictions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 22:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the comments to the original post on jury selection practices across the country, Miranda asks how jury selection is conducted in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 20:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing (and maybe those experienced in a group selection setting can offer a response):
In CT, jurors are advised even during the voir dire process not to discuss their feelings about the case, who they may know and how, etc. with the other venirepersons.  The idea behind this, of course, is that the court should get all of this information privately, so no other potential juror is swayed or affected by what is said.  For example, does the rest of the panel need to know I go to church with the victim?  Or that I heard on the news that the defendant was out on parole when the crime was committed? Or that I have personal experience with sexual assault and feel that the crime is so terrifying and horrible that I can't judge the defendant fairly?   I could go on and on...

How does this work in a group setting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing (and maybe those experienced in a group selection setting can offer a response):<br />
In CT, jurors are advised even during the voir dire process not to discuss their feelings about the case, who they may know and how, etc. with the other venirepersons.  The idea behind this, of course, is that the court should get all of this information privately, so no other potential juror is swayed or affected by what is said.  For example, does the rest of the panel need to know I go to church with the victim?  Or that I heard on the news that the defendant was out on parole when the crime was committed? Or that I have personal experience with sexual assault and feel that the crime is so terrifying and horrible that I can&#8217;t judge the defendant fairly?   I could go on and on&#8230;</p>
<p>How does this work in a group setting?</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am biased.  I have had very little experience with jury selection that didn't include individual voir dire.  I love being able to talk with jurors one on one.  I'm so spoiled by it that I cannot imagine how anyone can pick a fair jury any other way. My concern is this - if you've heard the 6 people before you say they understand they have to be fair and impartial and that they can put aside whatever personal experiences they've had to do that, how many people are going to admit that they might not be able to do that?  It's very different when the only people listening are counsel, the defendant, and a judge, and you don't necessarily know the "right" or popular response.  The examples go on and on...

But I do see V's point about pressure to waive a jury trial due to the length of time it can take.  However, in my experience, I have not seen or heard about any pressure because a jury was unavailable (which isn't to say it doesn't happen). I have seen pressure, however, where the defendant has hired private counsel, who charges by the day.  Then, if the attorney charges X dollars for each day of trial, and jury selection will take an extra 2-4 days (or shorter or longer, depending on the charges), the client is in the unfortunate position of weighing his/her right to a jury trial with however much extra money it will cost him or her. I, for one, hate to see any client waive a jury (or the whole trial, for that matter) because he/she can't afford it, but I don't think the jury selection process in CT causes this problem as much as the way we allow attorneys to charge clients, which may be unavoidable anyway.   

Overall, I don't see that the selection process has created any great or notable burden on our system, and I think it essential to ensuring that the people deciding the case are appropriate jurors for that particular case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am biased.  I have had very little experience with jury selection that didn&#8217;t include individual voir dire.  I love being able to talk with jurors one on one.  I&#8217;m so spoiled by it that I cannot imagine how anyone can pick a fair jury any other way. My concern is this - if you&#8217;ve heard the 6 people before you say they understand they have to be fair and impartial and that they can put aside whatever personal experiences they&#8217;ve had to do that, how many people are going to admit that they might not be able to do that?  It&#8217;s very different when the only people listening are counsel, the defendant, and a judge, and you don&#8217;t necessarily know the &#8220;right&#8221; or popular response.  The examples go on and on&#8230;</p>
<p>But I do see V&#8217;s point about pressure to waive a jury trial due to the length of time it can take.  However, in my experience, I have not seen or heard about any pressure because a jury was unavailable (which isn&#8217;t to say it doesn&#8217;t happen). I have seen pressure, however, where the defendant has hired private counsel, who charges by the day.  Then, if the attorney charges X dollars for each day of trial, and jury selection will take an extra 2-4 days (or shorter or longer, depending on the charges), the client is in the unfortunate position of weighing his/her right to a jury trial with however much extra money it will cost him or her. I, for one, hate to see any client waive a jury (or the whole trial, for that matter) because he/she can&#8217;t afford it, but I don&#8217;t think the jury selection process in CT causes this problem as much as the way we allow attorneys to charge clients, which may be unavoidable anyway.   </p>
<p>Overall, I don&#8217;t see that the selection process has created any great or notable burden on our system, and I think it essential to ensuring that the people deciding the case are appropriate jurors for that particular case.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 15:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "cost", then. If you are referring to financial cost, then I'd have to disagree. I don't think any cost is too great to ensure that all defendants receive fair trials by unbiased jurors.

As far as having to wait a while to get a jury trial; sure that's the process, but I don't think many defendants would complain that they want an immediate trial and that their trials were held up for lack of jurors. More often than not the trials aren't held immediately for reasons of investigation, pre-trial negotiation, discovery, etc. A lack of jurors is hardly a concern.

Most defendants feel "pressure" to waive their Constitutional rights and plead guilty because they are all too aware that the sentence meted out after trial is almost invariably greater than the sentence they would receive via a plea agreement. The state holds that over them (in fact, the most common threat is "We'll go to trial and you'll get the maximum") and wields that sword effectively.

If you want a trial, you'll get one within a reasonable time period. The speedy trial act was enacted for that purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand what you mean by &#8220;cost&#8221;, then. If you are referring to financial cost, then I&#8217;d have to disagree. I don&#8217;t think any cost is too great to ensure that all defendants receive fair trials by unbiased jurors.</p>
<p>As far as having to wait a while to get a jury trial; sure that&#8217;s the process, but I don&#8217;t think many defendants would complain that they want an immediate trial and that their trials were held up for lack of jurors. More often than not the trials aren&#8217;t held immediately for reasons of investigation, pre-trial negotiation, discovery, etc. A lack of jurors is hardly a concern.</p>
<p>Most defendants feel &#8220;pressure&#8221; to waive their Constitutional rights and plead guilty because they are all too aware that the sentence meted out after trial is almost invariably greater than the sentence they would receive via a plea agreement. The state holds that over them (in fact, the most common threat is &#8220;We&#8217;ll go to trial and you&#8217;ll get the maximum&#8221;) and wields that sword effectively.</p>
<p>If you want a trial, you&#8217;ll get one within a reasonable time period. The speedy trial act was enacted for that purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Vardibidian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vardibidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 15:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More time is better than less time, sure, just like a Mercedes is better than a Yugo. Well, no, you are right, there's no Mercedes here, but like a Buick is better than a Yugo. But it does not come without cost. I would like to believe that Connecticut's system is paid for by simply allotting more resources from our comparatively affluent state; certainly we can afford a Buick. But the pressure to waive a jury trial (not just to plead guilty) is increased by the time a jury trial takes, by the limited amount of jurors (because of course the longer time 'uses up' more jurors, particularly in a state with one-day-or-one-trial) or other resources... well, my point is that it isn't free.

My point of view is shaded by the experience of a friend who went through the system for a year in another state, and eventually was willing to waive his right to a jury trial in order to shorten his ordeal, and had the charges against him dismissed by the judge. So, happy ending and all, other than the year-long ordeal and the expense and so on. But his experience led him to believe that &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; defendants are under &lt;i&gt;tremendous&lt;/i&gt; pressure to waive their right to a jury trial, simply because the system is not set up to provide jurors for more than 1 out of a hundred defendants. In his somewhat resource-based view of the system, which has largely influenced mine, Connecticut's "appropriate" time spent selecting jurors may come at an inappropriate cost.

Myself, I don't know. I want to believe that we are (mostly) giving defendants their Constitutional rights, and that the system isn't set up to thwart them. But I can't, quite.

Thanks,
-V.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More time is better than less time, sure, just like a Mercedes is better than a Yugo. Well, no, you are right, there&#8217;s no Mercedes here, but like a Buick is better than a Yugo. But it does not come without cost. I would like to believe that Connecticut&#8217;s system is paid for by simply allotting more resources from our comparatively affluent state; certainly we can afford a Buick. But the pressure to waive a jury trial (not just to plead guilty) is increased by the time a jury trial takes, by the limited amount of jurors (because of course the longer time &#8216;uses up&#8217; more jurors, particularly in a state with one-day-or-one-trial) or other resources&#8230; well, my point is that it isn&#8217;t free.</p>
<p>My point of view is shaded by the experience of a friend who went through the system for a year in another state, and eventually was willing to waive his right to a jury trial in order to shorten his ordeal, and had the charges against him dismissed by the judge. So, happy ending and all, other than the year-long ordeal and the expense and so on. But his experience led him to believe that <i>most</i> defendants are under <i>tremendous</i> pressure to waive their right to a jury trial, simply because the system is not set up to provide jurors for more than 1 out of a hundred defendants. In his somewhat resource-based view of the system, which has largely influenced mine, Connecticut&#8217;s &#8220;appropriate&#8221; time spent selecting jurors may come at an inappropriate cost.</p>
<p>Myself, I don&#8217;t know. I want to believe that we are (mostly) giving defendants their Constitutional rights, and that the system isn&#8217;t set up to thwart them. But I can&#8217;t, quite.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
-V.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 14:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not have those statistics off-hand, but if my memory serves me right, the national average is that about 4-7% of cases go to trial. I'd also be willing to bet that CT is within that national average (as is SC).

So all states are devoting similar percentages of resources to jury trials.

I think you're making the erroneous assumption that no one in CT is under pressure to plead guilty. The same pressure exists everywhere. However, when selecting a jury - the very people that will decide whether to deprive an individual of liberty, the more time we spend effectively choosing the right people, the better it is.

I noted SC takes 30 minutes on average. On average, that is barely enough time to get to know the names of each juror and ask basic biographical information. In Connecticut, you question each juror individually and get to ask them detailed questions about their biases, their preferences, their openness. That is what serves us all better, in my opinion.

I also don't think calling Connecticut's system "luxurious" is appropriate. I don't think anything associated with a criminal trial is "luxurious". "Appropriate" might be a better word.

Now that's not to say that the average may have been pushed upward due to some cases where the attorneys are incredibly slow; but my basic point is more time &gt; less time spent picking a jury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have those statistics off-hand, but if my memory serves me right, the national average is that about 4-7% of cases go to trial. I&#8217;d also be willing to bet that CT is within that national average (as is SC).</p>
<p>So all states are devoting similar percentages of resources to jury trials.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re making the erroneous assumption that no one in CT is under pressure to plead guilty. The same pressure exists everywhere. However, when selecting a jury - the very people that will decide whether to deprive an individual of liberty, the more time we spend effectively choosing the right people, the better it is.</p>
<p>I noted SC takes 30 minutes on average. On average, that is barely enough time to get to know the names of each juror and ask basic biographical information. In Connecticut, you question each juror individually and get to ask them detailed questions about their biases, their preferences, their openness. That is what serves us all better, in my opinion.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think calling Connecticut&#8217;s system &#8220;luxurious&#8221; is appropriate. I don&#8217;t think anything associated with a criminal trial is &#8220;luxurious&#8221;. &#8220;Appropriate&#8221; might be a better word.</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s not to say that the average may have been pushed upward due to some cases where the attorneys are incredibly slow; but my basic point is more time > less time spent picking a jury.</p>
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		<title>By: Vardibidian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vardibidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 14:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What percentage of cases go to jury trial? And how does that compare to other states? If Connecticut is an outlier because it devotes twice the resources to give defendants a fair trial, it is a Good Thing (although of course those are resources not used elsewhere, etc, etc), but if it is an outlier because it devotes twice the resources to a handful of cases, then it's a Bad Thing. The survey doesn't address the question, although it certainly ought to have.

Given that, in some states, defendants are under tremendous pressure to waive their constitutional right to a jury trial, it seems likely (on the face of it), that Connecticut's luxurious system is, in fact, depriving many defendants of a speedy trial by a jury of their peers. I don't know if that is truly the case, but it is worrisome.

Thanks,
-V.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What percentage of cases go to jury trial? And how does that compare to other states? If Connecticut is an outlier because it devotes twice the resources to give defendants a fair trial, it is a Good Thing (although of course those are resources not used elsewhere, etc, etc), but if it is an outlier because it devotes twice the resources to a handful of cases, then it&#8217;s a Bad Thing. The survey doesn&#8217;t address the question, although it certainly ought to have.</p>
<p>Given that, in some states, defendants are under tremendous pressure to waive their constitutional right to a jury trial, it seems likely (on the face of it), that Connecticut&#8217;s luxurious system is, in fact, depriving many defendants of a speedy trial by a jury of their peers. I don&#8217;t know if that is truly the case, but it is worrisome.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
-V.</p>
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		<title>By: Appellate Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Appellate Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jury Trial Statistics...&lt;/strong&gt;

A Public Defender points to this report from the National Center for State Courts and the State Justice Institute, which includes all sorts of statistics about how jury trials and comparisons of various statesâ€™ practices....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jury Trial Statistics&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>A Public Defender points to this report from the National Center for State Courts and the State Justice Institute, which includes all sorts of statistics about how jury trials and comparisons of various statesâ€™ practices&#8230;.</p>
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